Mmm, the world needs more such families as yours, Sean.
Tharapita, I suppose you're right!
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Nicolya |
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Mmm, the world needs more such families as yours, Sean. Tharapita, I suppose you're right! |
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Danielle Em |
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Theraphita-Thank you. that was so cool to see. It actually brought tears to my eyes, which doesn't happen often.
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Nabs |
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@Sean: WO-OW! That is so cool! I remember you posted a picture of a King-Kong sort of thing your brother did, he sounds really talented! it must be a DNA thing
I think
@Theraphita: Yes, thanks for posting that, I would love to be a part of it if it happens in 2009! Did anyone here see the memorial service? I am so pissed off at the media regarding this that I chose not to, but then a friend called me cause MJ's daughter was talking, so I turned the tv on and it literally brought me to tears in one second... I don't know why I feel his death so close to me, but I do, and I can't believe it! one of the reporters who was narrating the whole event for the Mexican audience actually had the nerve of saying "I will keep my most precious memories of Michael not as the entertainer, but as the human being he was", and I just can't believe people these days! Two months ago he was nothing more than a pedophile and a weirdo who swung his kid from the window, now he's "the greatest human being ever", it was partly the media who drove him to drugs and pain killers to begin with, and NOW everyone loves him and misses him and admires him. I just can't understand this typical human behaviour, it drives me nuts with anger! |
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Deviancy |
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It wasn't that long ago that Sarah Palin was calling Obama a muslim terrorist, and she had no of proof of this. But a lot of people swallowed it up, they
believed he was actually a muslim terrorist. When McCain said that Obama was a socialist, a lot bought into that, and still continue to do so, despite no
evidence. People like to believe the negative, especially if they don't like the person the accusations are about. But all of this coverage of MJ is kind
of a slap in the face to the ones who hated. They're seeing millions celebrate the life of a man they hate, and you know that's going to drive them
nuts.
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RahelaAsmara |
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I've always been a fan, never thought he was a pedophile, just as an amazing
person/entertainer. That's why I took it soo hard when I found out that he has passed...
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AnnaMariaS |
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Yeah, Sean's brother is really talented!!! The best are the productions that the two artists did together when kids
DanielleEm, Thanks for the explanation RahelaAsmara, There was NEVER any evidence against Michael and plenty of evidence to prove that his accusers were liars and exploiters! It is very sad. Anna |
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paigeangel90 |
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Did anyone happen to catch I believe it was Extra that found the accusers? And I found it funny that they ran from the media because they knew they were
liars.
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GerritCENF |
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According to the Belgian press the family of Michael wants a lawsuit to be started for murder. They seriously believe Michael was given medication that
should normally never be subscribed by any serious doctor for the conditions he was treated for, or that the dosage of the medication was irresponsibly high.
The father of Michael apparently seriously believes in bad intentions from the doctors behalf and wants to have a lawsuit started for either murder or
undeliberate murder (not sure of the English term for that). I must add the paper is not having a reputation of reliable information, so I am unsure if this is
really the case.
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Greetings from Lore |
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seems celebrities find Doctors who are star struck and money-hungry that go against medical principles. I am not surprised that he turned to medication for
stress relief, considering the accusations. Can any of YOU imagine that happening to YOU publicly and world-wide?
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GerritCENF |
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Obviously those courtcases broke him emotionally. That was the saddest aspect of what was basically a sad life alltogether. He never lived, he WAS lived. I mean, he never had a normal childhood, always had to be the star, media followed every step he took, he never had moment to breathe... That alone can not be healthy for someones psychological wellbeing. If people then try to squeeze the money out of you, trying to milk your talent by using false accusations (innocent until proven otherwise, so lets consider the accusations to be false) ... well, nobody could take that I am sure. He was on painkillers and all sort of medications for both psychological and physical issues for years already. He seemed to be doing relatively well again, wanted to give fans a goodbye tour, and even then promotors and organisers took irresponsable risks to make sure they could make some money out of him ... Very very sad.
The problem is of course to PROVE that doctors gave too high dosage deliberately, or wrong meds, ignoring the risks. You can prove that wrong meds or wrong amounts of meds were given, but to prove that this was done intentionally?? So to make this a murder lawsuit like Michaels father wants to do, it will be hard to prove the whole thing. What is the usual punishment for "unintended murder" (I dont know the correct juridical term in English, but thats the best possible translation I can think of when translating from Dutch ... "an action that results in death without death having been the intention of the action" if that explains what I mean) |
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Nabs |
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What sort of worries/pains me the most is thinking about his three children and all the ordeal they're going to have to face now, with all the leeches
around them and MJ's so-called friends, and their grandfather starting a lawsuit and accusing the doctors of murder? he was one of the bad guys, to begin
with...
Those kids have never really known what the real world is, have they? Michael Jackson wanted them to have normal childhoods so badly that he went to the extremes to protect them from the real world, but now they are out there and people are paying attention to them, and I don't think they are really used to that. On top of that, I heard that the two older children could be separated from the youngest one (Blanket, is it?), and I can't think of anything worst for those children. I can only hope that someone out there has real interest and love for those children and will raise them decently and try to keep them out of the spotlight... |
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Michaels mother apparently would take care of them, or at least she is close to an agreement legally. I am not that well informed about her, but that father (Michaels father I mean) seems to be not really trustworthy, so I am not sure if letting the kids be raised by their grandmother is the best possible solution. |
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paigeangel90 |
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Well it is true that maybe having the kids around Joseph Jackson may not be the right thing to do considering some of the things Michael has said about his own
Father, but however I think that it is never a good idea to take the children away from the family that they grew up with. They still would have lots of
Father figures (Michael's brothers) and Mother-like figures (Michael's sisters) in their life.
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RahelaAsmara |
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Michael's kids were very sheltered for most of their lives. I'm glad his mother, Kathrine, has temporary custody of them. And I'm also happy that
Kathrine and Joe don't live together!!! I don't think any children need to be around that man.
After Michael passed away, this guy is at the BET awards talking about his new record label. What the hell, shouldn't you be mourning the death of your son?! Jeez.. |
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Alright,
So maybe in the eyes of many of you I am an evil person for not mourning his death. Yes, it is sad that he died, yes the circumstances are a bit odd (kind of like MJ himself). I feel bad for his children to lose their "father" so young, because he is their father first and foremost (no matter what biology might say.) To many he was an icon through his music and his generosity. Heck, he may have even been proven innocent about the whole pedophile thing, but..... What "normal" 40 something year old man (at the time) invites underage children to their home for "slumber parties" when they are not family of the child? What parent in their right mind allows their children to go to a complete strangers house to do this, no matter how famous they are????? He may not have had a real childhood, he may have been very child-like in nature and hey, it may have just been a "peter pan-the boy who never grew up" thing, but in my eyes, it's just not proper. My comment about him being a freak was justified.. he has done some freaky things to himself through the skin bleaching and the cosmetic surgery as well as dangling his child over a balcony and making his kids were shrouds over their heads in public. The media can be brutal and he wanted to protect them, good deal. OK, the Hitler comment about him being kind to animals... yes he loved animals, he loved his dog Goldie more than his girlfriend Eva, he loved that dog so much and was so kind to her that he tested cyanide on her. Peta should give him animal friendly guy of the year (sarcasm-please don't PETA) Hitler was a freak. Ted Bundy worked a suicide hotline, probably saved a few lives, does that make him a better person for doing it. Hell No!!! Bundy was still a sick, twisted individual who murdered many more than he helped. OK, now I've caught up. Sorry for my delayed response, summer company stayed longer than expected. Jenn |
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GreenEyedMonster:
I don' think anyone who posted here really cares who mourns Jackson's death. The commentary to do with your statements was simply and specifically about what you wrote. Just to keep things on track here. Anyway, a few points about Jackson being a "justified freak": Doctors have confirmed Jackson had Vitiligo (which results in the loss of skin pigment). The only treatment to even-out skin tone is to lighten skin color. Even if he didn't have this condition, I'm not certain why this would make him a freak. Vain? Perhaps. Bending to a cultural stereotype of "beauty"? Certainly. Insecure? Obviously. But "freak"? Jackson's home was a mini-Disneyland. There are plenty of people in the world who treat kids to such things, and they aren't targeted like Jackson was. Normally Jackson had underprivileged and sick kids there, and with the amount of people through his doors only two made accusations; he was acquitted of one charge and the other charge seemed to be motivated by money --- actually both cahrges were (those instances have been addressed here already). Jackson didn't want his kids faces plastered all over the tabloids, which is why he hid their faces. Seems understandable to me. Plenty of people have plastic surgery, use makeup, etc, but they aren't called "freak" for it as often as Jackson was. Jackson had issues with his self image. Hence why he tried to change it. But many people do this. Jackson had "issues", moreso than being a "freak" in this regard, I think. So the devaluing of him by calling him "freak" is a little harsh. In the end Jackson was being driven crazy. This is fairly obvious if you watch some later interviews -- at least he was being driven towards a nervous breakdown. It all seemed to stem from the endless attacks he was under constantly ("freak", lawsuits, "wacko jacko", etc) and the instability of his personal life that came about due to his success and people trying to use him (the reason why Lisa Marie Presley says their marriage fell apart was due to the users around Jackson who were destroying him). And obviously being addicted to medications didn't help either. I maintain that it was the homophobic atmosphere in the US that really kick-started the whole thing about Jackson being a "freak" (which snowballed into everything else) because he was sort of feminine, or asexual. Yeah, Jackson seemed odd sometimes (but so do a lot of people), but all we were saying here is that he was abused, used, lied about on endless occasions, painted as a monster in the media, addicted to medications, and seemed to never have grown up (which is very understandable considering his development from the time he was 5 years old was extremely abnormal). I really feel that Jackson was a target mainly due to homophobia (especially US, and the UK to a point) that sees people like him as unworthy of humane treatment (not to mention he was also African American, and wealthy). The evidence against him never stood up to scrutiny. The other reasons cited seem pretty baseless. So what was the reason to target him so cruelly, as so many did (and do)? Sean
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GreeneyedMonster wrote:
So maybe in the eyes of many of you I am an evil person for not mourning his death. Clearly this is not what people here have said. I quoted specifically the items that you wrote that were not factually true like "celebrities tend to die in threes" or "cosmetic surgery caused his death" or Jackson was a "freak" or the implication that he was a "pedophile." These specific things that you said and were quoted in my post were the issues that I and others had with your statements. Nobody said anything about anybody not mourning Michael Jackson's death. Furthermore, like Sean explained, there were reasons stemming from abuse and extreme fame and negative attention throughout his life, starting at an extremely young age, in addition to dealing with a racist and homophobic society, that combined to create the person that Michael Jackson became. Anna
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North Dark Elf |
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Finally the world will stop to fuck his brain and tell shit of him all the time. R.I.P.
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DeadAnkh |
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... Me and My Friend still think that he's not dead.... that he just faked all this, and ran away to Neverland to leave Peacfully, away from the
Fuckin' Media [not HIS Neverland, I meant to a Hidden Place]....
When I heard about his "death" on the News, I remembered a song, I really used to like from him, which I beleive describes his Entire Life Perfectly... I know the Lyrics don't have to do anything with Michael's life directly, but I mean, the chorus is enough to make like an association with Michael's life and the Media.... Rest Michael, wherever the Fuck u are By the way: What a Great Video..... Greeting from the Corners of My Beloved Koma... Violent Kisses and Beautiful Wishes! |
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paigeangel90 |
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That's one of my favorite songs alongside "Thriller." The man was and still is a genius.
Paige "Ahh the internet. The only place where you can meet hundreds of people and still be considered antisocial"- Daria Morgendorffer |
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