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Mar 14 07 2:55 PM
Quote:I wasn't saying that SHE needed to be drunk to find things interesting nor was I insulting or passing judgment (I couldn't really tell exactly what she meant, to be honest) but I wanted to add that people don't need to abuse harmful substances to have fun as a general side-note to this discussion. There are impressionable kids who lurk and read the forum and I did want to put a positive spin here and not leave it implying that life was less interesting without consuming alcohol or something, you know?
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Mar 14 07 4:52 PM
Quote:Ok. It seems you are saying what I thought was being said. You're invalidating good ideas about smoking (ideas like "don't start because it'll kill you and you're supporting an evil industry" ) because politicians drive SUVs.
Mar 14 07 4:55 PM
Quote:Sorry, but getting cancer is a lot worse than depriving yourself of a cigarette. But you're talking about addiction here, which is an illness itself (or it seems you are talking addiction; I mean, there is no reason a person would get seriously depressed over not consuming something like alcohol or cigarettes other than an addiction to those things). Indulging addictions isn't healthy, either. Usually the thing that people are addicted to is an unhealthy substance that has been proven can kill you. People aren't often addicted to things that are benign.
Quote:Again- you're referring to an addict here because a rational person should be able to be shown that something is harmful and then be rational enough to not ingest it (this is of course not addressing the peer pressure factor or the disinformation from the harmful industries that lead people to ingest harmful substances and get addicted in the first place). An addict, however, would have a harder time avoiding that harmful thing even when informed of its harmful effects.
Quote:But a normal person should be able to listen to science, listen to reason, logic, and fact and determine that they don't have to experience something themselves to know its effects.
Quote:No one said people are right or wrong. I said there are established facts that we know to be truths- like cigarettes are harmful, for example. We are all the same biological unit, essentially, and generally what's true for one human is true for another- like you cannot smoke and be healthy.
Quote:I think what NDE is trying to say is that, all well and good about healthy living, but when it becomes an obsession, it prevents you from actually living your life. Therefore, people should adopt a lifestyle that makes them happy and content with. I don't think she meant to say that healthy living is not as much fun as an unhealthy one.
Quote:The thing with coffee and caffeine is that there always seems to be a new opinion on what it does or doesn't do. The news would present them as facts and then the week later there would be a new "fact" that says that the last "fact" was wrong. So what we're dealing with are theories..
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Mar 15 07 6:38 PM
Quote:Basically they said bottled water was fine..
Quote:Although often advertising themselves as superior to tap water, bottlers are required in most cases only to meet the same quality standards as tap water.Of the hundreds of contaminants state and federal regulators measure, bottled water is subject to a higher standard for only two, according to Randy Kanouse, EBMUD's Sacramento lobbyist.Bottlers don't have to create a "consumer confidence" report each year like water agencies do.
Quote:The NRDC found the contents of one bottle, labeled "Spring Water," actually came from an industrial parking lot next to a hazardous waste site.
Quote:Tons of PlasticEven when bottled water is safer to drink, campaigners say that the packaging is threatening environmental health.Worldwide some 2.7 million tons (2.4 million metric tons) of plastic are used to bottle water each year, according to EPI.The plastic most commonly used is polyethylene terepthalate (PET), which is derived from crude oil."Making bottles to meet Americans' demand for bottled water requires more than 1.5 million barrels of oil annually, enough to fuel some 100,000 U.S. cars for a year," EPI's Arnold said.About 86 percent of plastic water bottles in the U.S. become garbage or litter, according to the Container Recycling Institute in Washington, D.C.Plastic debris in the environment can take between 400 and 1,000 years to degrade.
Quote:The Natural Resources Defense Council, which carried out a four-year review of the bottled water industry, concluded "there is no assurance that just because water comes out of a bottle, it is any cleaner or safer than water from the tap."
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Mar 18 07 8:03 AM
Quote: Also, NDE is a very sweet person and there is definitely no ire directed at her.
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