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Rain wrote:

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well, let me add my humble opinion..i don't really know what's the main topic here, but i believe that if you are a public person you should remember of your influence...no racist stuff is allowed , it's against the law...i don't like Mr.Manson's..umm, songs, but i expect him to be more smart...
swastica means death
swastica means war
i never saw my grandparents because of Hitler, there weren't Jews , they were just against him...so now for me swastica for me means nothing but death...i lost any respect for Manson..and Stoya( sorry Dev)

Well, in reading the full thread (including the interviews AnnaMariaS posted) you see where Manson was apparently, or supposedly, using the Nazi imagery as commentary on various aspects of our world (in his song Pretty as a Swastika). But like AnnaMariaS and I said, his explanation isn't really that clear (in part probably due to his drug abuse) and he just comes off as someone seeking attention with his shaving the loser porn actress.

I'm not sure you can say he's actually anti-Semitic (some people do like to bash Manson for every possible reason they can think of), but again, I agree, he's too incoherent to really understand and the Nazi symbols are a cheap gimmick that are too painful to use without clear explanations. Perhaps he's difficult to understand on purpose [to get attention, lame] and/or due to his brain being so damaged from drink and drugs. In either case he deserves less respect. I mean, it's clear he started to explain some stuff in that one interview posted- but he was so fucked up on absinth that he was incapable of communicating coherently.

Like I said, when you're using such loaded imagery you need to be very clear with what you're saying. Manson wasn't as clear as he should have been with his explanation of the song, and he was like some 14 year old hanging out with moron porn stars, and then shaving Swastikas on them.

In 1991, I used a sample of Hitler in my song "Revenge' (the full title of which is "Revenge, written in vulgar disgust if ignorance, prejudice and jealousy"), which was a take-off on an essay by Byron. I thought the message was fairly clear due to the lyrics, and the fact that the CD booklet listed the full title, but now that we're in the age of illegal filesharing and people don't look at the CD booklet (or listen to the words for that matter, not to mention don't read Byron) it is possible that people can get the wrong idea. This is why it's critical that people form opinions based on facts and evidence rather than assumption or a desire to brand someone as something because they don't like the guy (not saying you, Rain, formed an opinion of him because you didn't like him).

Bottom line- Manson needs to explain stuff better or run the risk of being seen as an anti-Semite. His drug use and self destructive behavior and sad attraction to porn stars is enough to make us loose respect for him. If he was actually anti-Semitic, then that's obviously the deal breaker. But the evidence doesn't show that if you actually read the interviews. At least you can argue Manson did something worthy of respect at one time, unlike Stoya.


GreenEyeMonster:
The concentration camps thing in the US is a myth, if you're referring to the FEMA camps rumor that the Libertarians, Ron Paul supporters and other right-wingers have been circulating around in order to make people "afraid of government". You can read about that here.

Sean